FAMEPedia:Bureaucrats' noticeboard/Archive 1

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Per this AN thread, please: Thank you, Magogre (talk) 15:00, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
 * 1) remove all the user rights from User:Flow talk page manager, as we don't have mw:Extension:StructuredDiscussions enabled;
 * 2) delete the user groups: automoderated, moderator, forum administrator, chat moderator, structured discussion bots, comment administrator (as we don't have mw:Extension:Comments);
 * 3) remove the rights ,  ,  ,   and   from administrators as they come from the extensions, we don't use;
 * 4) remove the rights  and   from * (all) user group; and
 * 5) remove the rights   and   from bots.


 * For 3, 4, and 5, FYI, Once an extension that comes with a particular right is disabled, the right automatically deletes. In other words, all the user rights in 3, 4, and 5 have been automatically deleted on disabling the father extension.
 * Now let's talk about this;
 * The Confirmed users has the following rights;
 * autoconfirmed
 * createpage
 * editsemiprotected
 * skipcaptcha
 * The Editors has the following rights;
 * autoconfirmed
 * editsemiprotected
 * review (Which is not supposed to be)
 * autoreview (Which I don't think should be)
 * unreviewedpages (meaning they can see the list of Unreviewed pages) (Which can never be).
 * So deliberating on this, Only one of these (Confirmed Users and Editors) user groups needs to be taken. Because the Confirmed users' user group is supposed to be the manually confirmed users who missed the MediaWiki automatic confirmation, I am taking the confirmed users.
 * Please share your view? Chimobi (talk) 16:03, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Also, note that the Autochecked users' group was dropped as the only user right was autoreview which I saw deem fitting to be added to Autopatrolled users. Before now, the Autopatrolled users were able to mark other users' edits as patrolled, like, act as patrollers, so I also removed the patrol user right from Autopatrolled users. Chimobi (talk) 17:08, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
 * , I can still see those rights bundled in the sysop and other user groups here. I am not sure what leads you to think that they will be removed automatically after disabling the extension. They'll have to be manually removed by anyone with the  right using the Special:ManageWiki/permissions interface.
 * Please share your view? Chimobi (talk) 16:03, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Also, note that the Autochecked users' group was dropped as the only user right was autoreview which I saw deem fitting to be added to Autopatrolled users. Before now, the Autopatrolled users were able to mark other users' edits as patrolled, like, act as patrollers, so I also removed the patrol user right from Autopatrolled users. Chimobi (talk) 17:08, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
 * , I can still see those rights bundled in the sysop and other user groups here. I am not sure what leads you to think that they will be removed automatically after disabling the extension. They'll have to be manually removed by anyone with the  right using the Special:ManageWiki/permissions interface.


 * I do think that autochecked and Autopatrolled are entirely different groups and they serve the different purpose, they shouldn't have been mixed. I believe there shouldn't be any such change without the community consensus. However the change looks good to me and I am not opposed to it.


 * I also observed that you removed the patrol right from Autopatrollers. Who else has this right? Only admins? I think either there should be some separate group with the patrol right or it should be added back to autopatrollers because we shouldn't restrict the patrol right to admins-only. --Magogre (talk) 17:39, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I have no idea why they aren't showing up in the managewiki/permissions, Those rights can't be found there, I was surprised to find them in the List of User Groups.
 * I think after proofreading, the autoreview right is even supposed to be added to the Autoconfirmed user group not the Autopatrolled.
 * And ideally, the patrol right is supposed to be for the Reviewers (New pages reviewers) Because, they review pages, they know whether a particular edit needs to be marked as patrolled. The Reviewer group replaces the Patroller group in some wikis. Chimobi (talk) 17:53, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
 * , are we going to create a new user group (new page reviewers) or add the right (patrol) to the existing reviewers user group? I am not certain about the ListGroupRights issue and I don't know what to do. The autoreview thing should be discussed first. --Magogre (talk) 18:03, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
 * FYI The New page reviewer is the same as the Reviewer. The actual name is reviewer but what we see (i.e. What is recorded in MediaWiki:Group-reviewer is New page reviewer.
 * For the autoreview, I'd suggest it be added to the autoconfirmed and removed from autopatrolled? Chimobi (talk) 18:18, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
 * As per my understanding, the New Page Reviewer isn't same as Reviewer. The NPR only has the partol right so that they can only patrol new articles. The reviewer and editor user groups, on the other hand, are the parts of mw:Extension:FlaggedRevs (documentation of which is present on MediaWiki).
 * We should probably discuss the autoreview thing on the technical FP:VP and end this thread here. --Magogre (talk) 07:31, 8 October 2021 (UTC)